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GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://matthewnemeth123563.substack.com/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><copyright><![CDATA[Matthew Nemeth]]></copyright><language><![CDATA[en]]></language><webMaster><![CDATA[matthewnemeth123563@substack.com]]></webMaster><itunes:owner><itunes:email><![CDATA[matthewnemeth123563@substack.com]]></itunes:email><itunes:name><![CDATA[Matthew's Biotech Musings]]></itunes:name></itunes:owner><itunes:author><![CDATA[Matthew's Biotech Musings]]></itunes:author><googleplay:owner><![CDATA[matthewnemeth123563@substack.com]]></googleplay:owner><googleplay:email><![CDATA[matthewnemeth123563@substack.com]]></googleplay:email><googleplay:author><![CDATA[Matthew's Biotech Musings]]></googleplay:author><itunes:block><![CDATA[Yes]]></itunes:block><item><title><![CDATA[The Allure of in vivo CAR-T]]></title><description><![CDATA[You&#8217;ve heard of CAR-T already.]]></description><link>https://matthewnemeth123563.substack.com/p/the-allure-of-in-vivo-car-t</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://matthewnemeth123563.substack.com/p/the-allure-of-in-vivo-car-t</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthew's Biotech Musings]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2025 21:40:44 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kKwL!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1f7ffb2c-9e81-4f83-b459-9d764c1ac408_1024x1024.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!kKwL!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1f7ffb2c-9e81-4f83-b459-9d764c1ac408_1024x1024.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source 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fetchpriority="high"></picture><div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>You&#8217;ve heard of CAR-T already. We take T-cells out of a patient, stick synthetic receptors into them, grow them up, and graft the cells back into that patient. This technology has been quite powerful, and to understand what that actually means, let&#8217;s take a look at Multiple Myeloma (MM), one of the first diseases CAR-T has been approved for. Then, we&#8217;ll get to why the <em>ex vivo</em> vs. <em>in vivo</em> CAR-T discussion matters.</p><h4>Multiple Myeloma is a liquid tumor</h4><p>MM is a cancer of the plasma cells, which are the producers of antibodies. Generally when you think of cancer, you may think of a solid chunk of mass growing when it&#8217;s not supposed to - these are <strong>solid</strong> tumors. Plasma cells reside in the circulatory system - when they proliferate they don&#8217;t form solid, identifiable masses. Instead, they are still just proliferating throughout your blood and these cancers are therefore termed  <strong>liquid</strong> tumors. Crucially, this means that unlike with solid tumors, you can&#8217;t surgically remove the tumor. </p><p>The main treatment historically has been using are <a href="https://www.myeloma.org/frontline-treatment-options">proteasome inhibitors such as bortezomib</a>. Since plasma cells are professional antibody factories, they can generate a lot of misfolded proteins by accident. This waste needs to be cleaned up by the proteasome, or else it can lead to apoptosis. Bortezomib leans into this mechanism - it prevents proteasome function, leading to these cells going all the way to committing apoptosis. Bortezomib is injected systemically and has no cell-type specificity, so it can cause toxicity in cells outside of the plasma cells you want to treat for MM.</p><div><hr></div><p>Before I get too far, welcome to my Substack! This is my first solo post here - I also write for <a href="https://decodingbio.substack.com/">Decoding Bio</a> which you should read. I&#8217;m going to use this space to write about interesting technology + problems + businesses that I learn about, generally within AI and Bio (FM, agents, synbio, protein design, cell/gene therapy). Please subscribe, and also if literally any of this is interesting to you, please reach out - I&#8217;d love to meet!</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://matthewnemeth123563.substack.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://matthewnemeth123563.substack.com/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><div><hr></div><h4>Antibodies have improved Multiple Myeloma treatment</h4><p>A wave of immunotherapies (antibody, T-cell engager, CAR-T) has pushed care past the efficacy of bortezomib alone. These all target either CD38 or the B-cell maturation antigen (BCMA), a marker for plasma cells. The current Standard Of Care (SOC) is a combination termed <strong>D-VRd</strong> of Darzalex (CD38 antibody) + Velcade (bortezomib) + Lenalidomide (immunomodulatory drug) + dexamethasone (steroid). VRd was the previous SOC, and you can see below the significant difference that adding the CD38 antibody made to this treatment.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4w1I!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff0707507-ce80-4d22-a680-da38dca0bcca_1364x428.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4w1I!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff0707507-ce80-4d22-a680-da38dca0bcca_1364x428.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4w1I!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff0707507-ce80-4d22-a680-da38dca0bcca_1364x428.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4w1I!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff0707507-ce80-4d22-a680-da38dca0bcca_1364x428.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4w1I!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff0707507-ce80-4d22-a680-da38dca0bcca_1364x428.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4w1I!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff0707507-ce80-4d22-a680-da38dca0bcca_1364x428.png" width="516" height="161.91202346041055" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/f0707507-ce80-4d22-a680-da38dca0bcca_1364x428.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:428,&quot;width&quot;:1364,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:516,&quot;bytes&quot;:73525,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://matthewnemeth123563.substack.com/i/166782899?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff0707507-ce80-4d22-a680-da38dca0bcca_1364x428.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4w1I!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff0707507-ce80-4d22-a680-da38dca0bcca_1364x428.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4w1I!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff0707507-ce80-4d22-a680-da38dca0bcca_1364x428.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4w1I!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff0707507-ce80-4d22-a680-da38dca0bcca_1364x428.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4w1I!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff0707507-ce80-4d22-a680-da38dca0bcca_1364x428.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Source: <a href="https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38084760/">Sonneveld P, Dimopoulos MA, Boccadoro M, et al. &#8230;PERSEUS Trial Investigators. &#8220;Daratumumab, Bortezomib, Lenalidomide, and Dexamethasone for Multiple Myeloma.&#8221; N Engl J Med. 2024 Jan 25;390(4):301-313.</a></figcaption></figure></div><h5>Wait: What do these terms mean?</h5><p>Learning about MM was my first intro to most of these terms used to describe cancer treatment outcomes. Just in case you&#8217;re a researcher who also hasn&#8217;t seen these, let&#8217;s review them.</p><p><strong>Progression-free survival (PFS)</strong>: how long a patient lives with cancer <em>without their disease getting worse</em></p><p><strong>Complete Response (CR)</strong>: no detectable level of cancer (generally at a certain timepoint</p><p><strong>MRDneg (10&#8315;&#8309; or 10&#8315;&#8310;): </strong>MRD means at least 1 myeloma cell detected among 10&#8309; or 10&#8310; cells. MRD-neg refers to the proportion of patients for which <strong>no</strong> myeloma cells were detected at each level of detection, which is a good thing.</p><p>Adding the CD38 antibody improved the long-term outcomes of the treatment on all 4 of these metrics!</p><h4>CAR-T seems to be even better</h4><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mYpX!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5def55ea-2c36-45ca-8756-ce105db9833e_970x728.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mYpX!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5def55ea-2c36-45ca-8756-ce105db9833e_970x728.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mYpX!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5def55ea-2c36-45ca-8756-ce105db9833e_970x728.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mYpX!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5def55ea-2c36-45ca-8756-ce105db9833e_970x728.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mYpX!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5def55ea-2c36-45ca-8756-ce105db9833e_970x728.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mYpX!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5def55ea-2c36-45ca-8756-ce105db9833e_970x728.png" width="316" height="237.16288659793815" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/5def55ea-2c36-45ca-8756-ce105db9833e_970x728.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:728,&quot;width&quot;:970,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:316,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;An illustration showing the components of the CAR that sit outside and inside the cell membrane.&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="An illustration showing the components of the CAR that sit outside and inside the cell membrane." title="An illustration showing the components of the CAR that sit outside and inside the cell membrane." srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mYpX!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5def55ea-2c36-45ca-8756-ce105db9833e_970x728.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mYpX!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5def55ea-2c36-45ca-8756-ce105db9833e_970x728.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mYpX!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5def55ea-2c36-45ca-8756-ce105db9833e_970x728.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mYpX!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5def55ea-2c36-45ca-8756-ce105db9833e_970x728.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Credit: NCI</figcaption></figure></div><p>Two CAR-T products have been approved for MM therapy - <a href="https://www.myeloma.org/abecma-idecabtagene-vicleucel-ide-cel">Abecma</a> and <a href="https://www.myeloma.org/treatment/carvykti-ciltacabtagene-autoleucel">Carvykti</a>. However, being approved is not the same as becoming the standard of care. Take Carvykti: which was initially approved for patients who have had <strong>4</strong> (!? &#9785;&#65039;) or more prior lines of therapy. As more longitudinal data from the Carvykti continue to come out, it has shown to have even stronger efficacy than the SOC. While MRDneg (10&#8315;&#8309;) for D-VRd is 75%, data from their phase III trial show the MRDneg (10&#8315;&#8309;) for Carvykti is <strong>92%</strong>. Based on these updated clinical trial data, the FDA approved Carvykti to be used after 1 line of treatment. J&amp;J is now testing Carvykti as a first-in-line treatment, which would determine if it could become the SOC itself.</p><h4></h4><h4>That&#8217;s awesome! What&#8217;s the catch?</h4><p><strong>First</strong>, CAR-T causes some harsh side effects. <a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/s41577-021-00547-6">Cytokine Release Syndrome (CRS) and Immune Effector Cell-Associated Neurotoxicity Syndrome (ICANS)</a> are hyperactivated immune responses that are caused by immunotherapies like CAR-T and <em>can </em>be fatal. There&#8217;s a ton of technology development happening to make the actual CAR receptors safer, more efficacious, inducible, etc. so as to mitigate these side effects (the current FDA-approved CAR-T products are all <a href="https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9746433/">&#8220;2nd generation&#8221; CAR-T designs</a>, but we&#8217;re already on the 5th generation <em>in vitro</em>). </p><p>The <strong>bigger</strong> challenge is that CAR-Ts are currently <em>really</em> expensive and time-consuming to make. Let&#8217;s briefly run through the process, and why it is the way it is. </p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hf-L!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F416b1bee-dc70-47d3-8561-1bd2b223e67b_2756x732.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hf-L!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F416b1bee-dc70-47d3-8561-1bd2b223e67b_2756x732.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hf-L!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F416b1bee-dc70-47d3-8561-1bd2b223e67b_2756x732.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hf-L!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F416b1bee-dc70-47d3-8561-1bd2b223e67b_2756x732.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hf-L!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F416b1bee-dc70-47d3-8561-1bd2b223e67b_2756x732.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hf-L!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F416b1bee-dc70-47d3-8561-1bd2b223e67b_2756x732.png" width="550" height="146.1881868131868" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/416b1bee-dc70-47d3-8561-1bd2b223e67b_2756x732.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:387,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:550,&quot;bytes&quot;:810416,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://matthewnemeth123563.substack.com/i/166782899?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F416b1bee-dc70-47d3-8561-1bd2b223e67b_2756x732.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hf-L!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F416b1bee-dc70-47d3-8561-1bd2b223e67b_2756x732.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hf-L!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F416b1bee-dc70-47d3-8561-1bd2b223e67b_2756x732.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hf-L!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F416b1bee-dc70-47d3-8561-1bd2b223e67b_2756x732.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hf-L!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F416b1bee-dc70-47d3-8561-1bd2b223e67b_2756x732.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">Credit: <a href="https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/anie.202310395">Spleen SORT LNP Generated in situ CAR T Cells Extend Survival in a Mouse Model of Lymphoreplete B Cell Lymphoma</a></figcaption></figure></div><ol><li><p>Take blood cells out of a patient&#8217;s body</p></li><li><p>Isolate T-cells</p></li><li><p>Genetically insert the CAR construct (usually with lentivirus)</p></li><li><p>Expand and activate the new CAR-T cells (you need tens to hundreds of millions of cells per patient). At this step, also do QC on the newly generated CAR-T cells. Did they get the CAR construct? Are they happy and not exhausted? Did you accidentally cause any critical genomic issues during installation of the CAR into the genome?</p></li><li><p>Lymphodepletion: destroy the patient&#8217;s immune system (wait, what?). This is done to make sure the grafted CAR-T cells will be able to proliferate well, and essentially don&#8217;t have to compete with existing T-cells for space.</p></li><li><p>Graft the CAR-T cells back into the patient.</p></li></ol><p>Okay, so this sucks for a couple of main reasons. </p><p>First, you have to do this for <em>each patient</em>. That&#8217;s because currently we don&#8217;t yet have good technology to produce T-cells &#8220;off-the-shelf&#8221; that can work for every patient, because your body might recognize it as foreign and reject the graft. This is time expensive (<a href="https://www.myeloma.org/treatment/carvykti-ciltacabtagene-autoleucel">4-5 weeks</a>): it takes real people to extract those cells, transduce them, and grow them. You can&#8217;t benefit from economies of scale as you can with most medicines. The current FDA approved CAR-T therapies will run you for <a href="https://ascopubs.org/doi/10.1200/EDBK_397912">about half a million dollars each</a>. The drug developers are <a href="https://www.novartis.com/news/media-releases/novartis-announces-t-chargetm-next-generation-car-t-platform-first-human-data-ash-2021">working on ways to make this process faster</a> and require fewer cells.</p><p>Second, you have to destroy that patient&#8217;s immune system in order to let the grafted CAR-T cells grow. You can appreciate that by weakening the immune system, you open that patient up to infection.</p><p>Third, cells aren&#8217;t very happy <em>ex vivo</em>. (The reason that we&#8217;re able to do biomedical research on cells <em>in vitro</em> is because they&#8217;re <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HeLa">all actually cancer cells</a> and are much more resilient than normal cells). This one feels much more manageable than the others. </p><h4>What if we just make the CAR-T cells <em>inside</em> of a patient?</h4><p>This here is the holy grail. Instead of the expensive process of extracting cells out and turning into CAR-T cells, we can use technologies from gene therapy to directly deliver the CAR genes to T cells in our body. If done right, <em>in vivo</em> CAR-T therapies can be mass manufactured (therefore cheaper!), quicker for the patient (don&#8217;t have to wait 5 weeks for <em>ex vivo</em> production), and easier on the clinical system (don&#8217;t have to extract + develop CAR-T on a patient-by-patient basis). Gene therapy technologies have become better over the past decade, and industry has gotten better at manufacturing them at scale.</p><p>To execute this, you have two choices to make. The following are those choices and the current main tools in the toolbox companies are using.</p><p>Delivery: How do I get the CAR construct to the T cells? </p><ol><li><p><strong>Viral delivery</strong>. Utilizing targeted lentiviruses to deliver specifically to T-cells. (in theory AAV may be used here, but I haven&#8217;t seen anyone trying commerically). Companies like <a href="https://www.umoja-biopharma.com/our-science/">Umoja</a>, <a href="https://keloniatx.com/platform/">Kelonia</a>, <a href="https://vyriad.com/science/in-vivo-platforms/">Vyriad</a>, <a href="https://interiusbio.com/platform/">Interius</a> are using this.</p></li><li><p><strong>Virus-like particle (VLP)</strong>. These are similar to viral capsids, and don&#8217;t include any viral replication machinery. Companies like <a href="https://ensoma.com/our-science/">Ensoma</a>, <a href="https://www.nchromabio.com/">nChromaBio</a> (formerly Nvelop), and <a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/s41587-023-02085-z">Azalea</a> are going this route (spinouts from labs of Hans-Peter Kiem, David Liu, Jennifer Doudna, respectively).</p></li><li><p><strong>Lipid nanoparticle (LNP)</strong>. These were used to deliver mRNA for the covid vaccines. Non-immunogenic and therefore re-dosable. Seems to be a little harder to target specific cell types of interest as compared to the viral methods (by default, lots of accumulation in the liver). Companies like <a href="https://www.stylusmedicine.com/">Stylus</a> and <a href="https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.ads8473">Capstan</a> are using these.</p></li></ol><p>CAR construct expression: what form do I want the CAR construct to be in? Do I want it to replicate?</p><ol><li><p>mRNA (<em>transient</em>) - deliver strands of mRNA encoding the CAR construct. As the cell divides, this mRNA does not replicate, so eventually this will get diluted out. This makes it a little less problematic if you deliver the CAR construct to the wrong cell. Capstan and Cartesian are using this. Choosing a delivery vehicle that allows you to re-dose is important here. </p></li><li><p>genomic (<em>permanent</em>) - directly integrate the CAR construct into the genome, so the entire lineage of this cell will express the CAR construct. A single dose may afford longer-term protection. All of the lentiviral-based delivery vehicles use this. <a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/nature21405">Targeted genomic insertions seem to also improve consistency and efficacy of the CAR-T cells</a> - Stylus is using their Large Serine Recombinase technology to do this.</p></li></ol><h5></h5><p><em>In vivo</em> delivery has different challenges than <em>ex vivo</em> manufacturing. Gene delivery is still relatively hard, and precise gene delivery is even harder. Even with the best delivery vehicles in the world, you will get more precision in targeting CD8+ T-cells if you extract them and isolate them <em>ex vivo</em> than you will by developing a CD8+ targeting virus. With <em>ex vivo</em> manufacturing of CAR-T cells, you can also QC the product to make sure there are no genomic issues and track the quality of the CAR-T cells before grafting it back into the patient, which you can&#8217;t do <em>in vivo</em>. </p><p>The technology is still relatively early, so the verdict is still out on whether or not <em>in vivo</em> CAR-T will achieve the same safety/efficacy as <em>ex vivo</em>. Most of these are either preclinical or starting Phase I. If it pans out, there may be room for both - <em>in vivo</em> CAR-T for indications with larger patient populations and where you worry less about off-target delivery, and <em>ex vivo</em> CAR-T for patients whom you need precise on-target delivery. </p><p>I&#8217;m incredibly excited for this technology to be validated - and as CAR constructs themselves improve, they are being expanded for use in <a href="https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abm0594">fibrosis</a>, <a href="https://www.uchicagomedicine.org/forefront/immunotherapy-articles/car-t-cell-therapy-treating-autoimmune-diseases">autoimmune disease</a>, and even <a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/s43587-023-00560-5">aging</a>. </p><p></p><div><hr></div><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://matthewnemeth123563.substack.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Thanks for reading Matthew&#8217;s Biotech Musings! 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